1 00:00:41,830 --> 00:00:12,460 [Music] 2 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:55,130 thank you 3 00:01:01,010 --> 00:00:59,930 UAP news this time around is not in any 4 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:01,020 article 5 00:01:09,109 --> 00:01:04,799 it wasn't written so I cannot narrate it 6 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,119 but actually it's Gary Nolan who 7 00:01:13,789 --> 00:01:12,000 gave a presentation 8 00:01:15,410 --> 00:01:13,799 that is what's called the salt 9 00:01:17,330 --> 00:01:15,420 conference 10 00:01:18,770 --> 00:01:17,340 in New York City and this is a big 11 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:18,780 conference like the people who attend 12 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:20,759 this it's even said that uh like an 13 00:01:24,649 --> 00:01:23,159 advisor to the state department or 14 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:24,659 something like that was in attendance 15 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:26,280 people with a lot of money 16 00:01:33,249 --> 00:01:29,100 who you know may invest in some sort of 17 00:01:36,609 --> 00:01:33,259 exotic Tech per se so Gary Nolan is here 18 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:36,619 at so Gary Nolan is at this conference 19 00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:40,200 and he gives us presentation on 20 00:01:45,590 --> 00:01:43,500 everything from Christ UFOs to uh 21 00:01:47,990 --> 00:01:45,600 extraterrestrial presence 22 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:48,000 um not only having been here but being 23 00:01:53,810 --> 00:01:50,399 here currently 24 00:01:55,730 --> 00:01:53,820 um he talks about reverse engineering 25 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:55,740 programs and how there was a 26 00:02:01,550 --> 00:01:59,280 whistleblower who just recently uh spoke 27 00:02:04,370 --> 00:02:01,560 up I think it was this past weekend and 28 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:04,380 how it rocked Washington 29 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:07,860 um so this is pretty amazing stuff 30 00:02:13,690 --> 00:02:10,319 and what also was kind of missed and all 31 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:13,700 this is he's starting his own uh 501c3 32 00:02:19,550 --> 00:02:17,400 where he's going to write like policy 33 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:19,560 papers for this sort of thing for 34 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:22,560 Washington and for corporations so very 35 00:02:26,690 --> 00:02:24,239 interesting stuff I think a lot of 36 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:26,700 what's missed here is exactly who Dr 37 00:02:33,229 --> 00:02:30,480 Gary Nolan is who is basically a leading 38 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:33,239 doctor and scientist in in trying to to 39 00:02:38,690 --> 00:02:36,000 cure cancer basically you know it's 40 00:02:40,910 --> 00:02:38,700 pretty amazing and 41 00:02:43,729 --> 00:02:40,920 he goes to this conference with really 42 00:02:46,309 --> 00:02:43,739 important people and and puts it all out 43 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:46,319 there you know and it's truly amazing I 44 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:47,700 don't think we've seen anything like 45 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:49,800 that and 46 00:02:54,309 --> 00:02:52,560 um you know the since modern ufology to 47 00:02:56,449 --> 00:02:54,319 be honest a lot of people have spoken up 48 00:02:59,210 --> 00:02:56,459 uh important people have spoken out 49 00:03:01,729 --> 00:02:59,220 about this topic 50 00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:01,739 um but not quite anyone with his 51 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:04,800 credentials speaking uh on the types of 52 00:03:10,309 --> 00:03:07,560 platforms he's speaking on about the 53 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:10,319 specific things he's discussing 54 00:03:14,509 --> 00:03:12,300 so it's pretty amazing 55 00:03:16,009 --> 00:03:14,519 um it's great news a lot of people are 56 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:16,019 thinking like this is the start of 57 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:17,940 disclosure and everything but Dr Nolan 58 00:03:22,729 --> 00:03:19,680 made it known that these are all things 59 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:22,739 that he said before you know so it's not 60 00:03:26,809 --> 00:03:24,480 exactly new that he's saying it it's 61 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:26,819 just where he's saying it I think that 62 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:29,700 gives it such importance so 63 00:03:34,190 --> 00:03:31,680 um I think that's great the more we can 64 00:03:37,369 --> 00:03:34,200 normalize the conversation 65 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:37,379 whether they're whether the people in 66 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:40,680 the audience are you know businessmen or 67 00:03:43,369 --> 00:03:41,940 not 68 00:03:45,710 --> 00:03:43,379 um it's all good to open up the 69 00:03:48,589 --> 00:03:45,720 conversation so we'll see where that's 70 00:03:50,270 --> 00:03:48,599 headed I think that's pretty great uh we 71 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:50,280 keep hearing good news we keep hearing 72 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:53,040 things like this uh to some extent or 73 00:03:58,670 --> 00:03:55,440 another so hopefully some some good 74 00:04:03,350 --> 00:03:58,680 stuff comes to fruition I am not on the 75 00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:03,360 disclosure 23 2023 or bust hashtag the 76 00:04:11,089 --> 00:04:05,720 Twitter hashtag train 77 00:04:16,610 --> 00:04:14,449 it's just like I don't plan on 78 00:04:19,009 --> 00:04:16,620 if there's no disclosure like I'm not 79 00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:19,019 gonna stop looking into this myself so 80 00:04:23,150 --> 00:04:21,660 that's not gonna work for me but I hope 81 00:04:26,150 --> 00:04:23,160 it happens I hope there's some big 82 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:26,160 reveals it certainly seems like a lot of 83 00:04:30,409 --> 00:04:29,160 people uh think there is going to be I 84 00:04:32,629 --> 00:04:30,419 don't have any inside information 85 00:04:34,189 --> 00:04:32,639 unfortunately so I don't know I'm 86 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:34,199 working off of what's in the public just 87 00:04:39,230 --> 00:04:36,240 like you guys 88 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:39,240 in my stance is it's all very exciting 89 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:41,340 and I'm paying attention 90 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:43,320 and I'm definitely hoping for the best 91 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:46,440 doing anything I can do to help 92 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:49,919 you know and if it doesn't happen 93 00:04:57,010 --> 00:04:52,080 you know then it doesn't happen that's 94 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:01,610 UAP news that being said uh put the link 95 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:04,020 to the story in the description so check 96 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:05,340 it out 97 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:07,199 that is actually all we have for you AP 98 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:08,820 news so we're going to have an extended 99 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:11,160 segment of back in time 100 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:12,840 we're looking at a few different things 101 00:05:17,930 --> 00:05:15,360 some random newspaper clippings very 102 00:05:21,409 --> 00:05:17,940 interesting case where a couple people 103 00:05:23,930 --> 00:05:21,419 that were Associates you could say of Mr 104 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:23,940 George adamsky a story about them we 105 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:26,220 have a story about a UFO sighting 106 00:05:31,610 --> 00:05:28,080 reported to the Air Force by somebody 107 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:31,620 who was associated with not only the 108 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:34,800 Smithsonian but NASA but also a 109 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:37,380 neurosciences research program in 110 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:39,900 Massachusetts so that's a really great 111 00:05:44,590 --> 00:05:42,360 story also I have an interview with Mr 112 00:05:47,450 --> 00:05:44,600 Shannon Scott who I've 113 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:47,460 come to know through Twitter he's a 114 00:05:50,749 --> 00:05:49,740 great person he's so positive breath of 115 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:50,759 fresh air 116 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:52,800 he's going through a lot of house stuff 117 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:54,360 and he has been for a while so I'm 118 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:55,680 really appreciative that he took the 119 00:06:00,830 --> 00:05:57,720 time to do this interview 120 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:00,840 it's short and sweet what we do is we 121 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:02,580 talk about his experience in the Navy 122 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:04,860 where he heard of 123 00:06:10,730 --> 00:06:09,060 a crazy UFO sighting in 1971 and he 124 00:06:12,710 --> 00:06:10,740 heard it two different times serving in 125 00:06:15,890 --> 00:06:12,720 the Navy and both times to start it was 126 00:06:18,730 --> 00:06:15,900 the exact same so we talk about that and 127 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:18,740 stay tuned till the end of this episode 128 00:06:25,309 --> 00:06:23,039 to watch some furry outtakes 129 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:25,319 of our conversation 130 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:28,319 and some really heartfelt comments 131 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:31,620 so stay tuned for that 132 00:06:37,969 --> 00:06:35,639 we also have what the heck is that 133 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:37,979 chorus 134 00:06:56,090 --> 00:06:41,910 so I hope you guys enjoy the ride 135 00:07:02,450 --> 00:06:59,570 this is a story about Carl hunrath 136 00:07:06,770 --> 00:07:02,460 in the incredible Adventures 137 00:07:08,450 --> 00:07:06,780 of Bosco hi 1952 Carl hunrath reported 138 00:07:11,809 --> 00:07:08,460 to the local police department 139 00:07:15,409 --> 00:07:11,819 Department in Racine Wisconsin that a 140 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:15,419 mysterious man dressed in black broke 141 00:07:19,370 --> 00:07:17,460 into his home 142 00:07:21,350 --> 00:07:19,380 and gave him a shot 143 00:07:24,170 --> 00:07:21,360 of something that felt like a 144 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:24,180 tranquilizer the person claimed I am 145 00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:26,039 Bosco and you have been chosen to enter 146 00:07:31,309 --> 00:07:29,280 our Brotherhood of galaxies not long 147 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:31,319 after his encounter with the mysterious 148 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:34,319 Men In Black uh hunrath actually 149 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:37,800 developed a device that he wound up 150 00:07:42,909 --> 00:07:39,599 calling Bosco 151 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:42,919 that he claimed could actually take down 152 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:47,039 UFOs at the time hunrath was employed as 153 00:07:51,950 --> 00:07:49,740 a project engineer for oyster 154 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:51,960 manufacturing who is known for its 155 00:07:57,409 --> 00:07:54,240 Sunbeam products of small electronics 156 00:07:58,210 --> 00:07:57,419 during the war oyster actually moved 157 00:08:02,150 --> 00:07:58,220 into 158 00:08:03,950 --> 00:08:02,160 avionics and that could be where hunrath 159 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:03,960 actually developed the skills necessary 160 00:08:08,450 --> 00:08:07,020 to actually create something like Bosco 161 00:08:12,010 --> 00:08:08,460 that could 162 00:08:15,469 --> 00:08:12,020 sensibly call saucers down from the sky 163 00:08:19,610 --> 00:08:15,479 one of uh hunra's fellow employees at 164 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:19,620 oyster was Wilbur Wilkinson who is a 165 00:08:26,529 --> 00:08:24,060 co-inventor of Bosco and he was employed 166 00:08:30,290 --> 00:08:26,539 as a foreman for oyster manufacturing 167 00:08:35,329 --> 00:08:30,300 Wilbur would subsequently follow hunrath 168 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:35,339 into infamy in November 1952 hunrath 169 00:08:39,829 --> 00:08:36,959 actually quit his job at oyster 170 00:08:42,769 --> 00:08:39,839 manufacturing and he moved out to 171 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:42,779 California which is where he met George 172 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:44,700 adamski 173 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:49,560 who is well known to be one of the first 174 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:52,320 he isn't but he's well known to be one 175 00:08:58,250 --> 00:08:54,920 of the early Pioneers in contact 176 00:09:01,250 --> 00:08:58,260 experiences with UFOs and beings 177 00:09:04,670 --> 00:09:01,260 so hunrath metadamski and actually was 178 00:09:06,110 --> 00:09:04,680 able to bend his ear regarding Bosco and 179 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:06,120 not only 180 00:09:10,910 --> 00:09:08,220 um did he tell him about how I could 181 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:10,920 take down flying saucers but he also 182 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:14,940 included how Pascal would be able to 183 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:17,880 create enough free energy for Georgia 184 00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:22,860 damski to power his uh hamburger stand 185 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:24,959 the only hitch in this was that his 186 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:27,540 co-inventor Wilkinson was still back in 187 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:30,779 Wisconsin with the invention Bosco so 188 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:31,980 they were going to have to wait for 189 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:34,260 Wilkinson to come out to California with 190 00:09:39,769 --> 00:09:37,380 Bosco so all the free energy and and 191 00:09:42,410 --> 00:09:39,779 greatness that brings would have to be 192 00:09:45,530 --> 00:09:42,420 on hold for the time being 193 00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:45,540 so Georgia damski seemed 194 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:47,880 pretty 195 00:09:52,970 --> 00:09:50,760 positive to the idea of boscow and and 196 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:52,980 hunrath and he had no issues with it 197 00:09:58,550 --> 00:09:55,980 until Apparently one night at the 198 00:10:00,829 --> 00:09:58,560 Palomar Gardens 199 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:00,839 um there was a bit of a drinking story 200 00:10:06,949 --> 00:10:04,800 and hunrath went off the rails screaming 201 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:06,959 about how 202 00:10:12,889 --> 00:10:10,200 um his invention Moscow could actually 203 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:12,899 take down flag saucers and UFOs from the 204 00:10:19,930 --> 00:10:16,620 sky and I guess it was uh pretty intense 205 00:10:25,190 --> 00:10:19,940 and hostile so Georgia damski 206 00:10:28,070 --> 00:10:25,200 was cold on hunrath Bosco and Wilkinson 207 00:10:29,870 --> 00:10:28,080 from that time moving forward why 208 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:29,880 exactly hunrath wanted to take down 209 00:10:35,150 --> 00:10:32,640 flank saucers as anybody's guess 210 00:10:38,810 --> 00:10:35,160 but it really rubbed George damski the 211 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:38,820 wrong way and he told hunrath to get the 212 00:10:43,130 --> 00:10:41,160 hell out of his house he said there 213 00:10:45,470 --> 00:10:43,140 would be no talk of taking down any 214 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:45,480 flying saucers 215 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:47,279 um in front of him 216 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:49,260 so part of a dance he's concerned with 217 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:51,540 Bosco was if it could take down flag 218 00:10:57,050 --> 00:10:54,000 saucers then it could probably take down 219 00:10:59,449 --> 00:10:57,060 U.S military aircraft as well 220 00:11:03,350 --> 00:10:59,459 and hunrath apparently didn't care much 221 00:11:05,870 --> 00:11:03,360 as he responded who the hell cares 222 00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:05,880 so after witnessing this exchange one of 223 00:11:11,210 --> 00:11:08,240 the Dempsey's followers Lucy McGinnis 224 00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:11,220 notified authorities that hunrath had 225 00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:13,500 this device called Bosco that could 226 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:16,800 potentially disable military aircraft 227 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:19,680 and not long after the FBI and the Air 228 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:23,760 Force office of special investigations 229 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:26,399 began to look into it they went 230 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:28,740 eventually to question adamsky at 231 00:11:32,990 --> 00:11:30,720 Palomar Gardens about boscow the device 232 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:33,000 that could take down saucers and 233 00:11:37,850 --> 00:11:36,240 military aircraft uh Georgia damsky 234 00:11:39,949 --> 00:11:37,860 knows certain uncertain terms actually 235 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:39,959 told them that hunrath went off the deep 236 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:44,700 end and he was basically just 237 00:11:50,449 --> 00:11:48,120 um possessed by other worldly demons in 238 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:50,459 practice occultism and he also called 239 00:11:56,269 --> 00:11:53,940 them an uncontrollable monster 240 00:11:59,509 --> 00:11:56,279 before unrest's relationship with the 241 00:12:02,150 --> 00:11:59,519 damski went South him and two other uh 242 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:02,160 saucer connoisseurs actually started 243 00:12:07,490 --> 00:12:03,980 something called the adamsky foundation 244 00:12:11,889 --> 00:12:07,500 which was meant to preserve and promote 245 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:11,899 the good professor's work in August 1953 246 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:15,079 Bosco's co-inventor at Wilbur Wilkinson 247 00:12:21,050 --> 00:12:18,480 actually finally joined hunrath in 248 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:21,060 California with his wife during this 249 00:12:27,710 --> 00:12:23,220 time hanrath apparently fell under the 250 00:12:31,370 --> 00:12:27,720 spell of George hunt Williamson and 251 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:31,380 started communicating with other worldly 252 00:12:40,430 --> 00:12:35,760 entities and Baker spent a considerable 253 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:40,440 amount of time at Hunt's place where he 254 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:42,120 actually had a pseudo-scientific 255 00:12:47,889 --> 00:12:46,079 laboratory setup to this end Williamson 256 00:12:51,230 --> 00:12:47,899 and crew 257 00:12:52,490 --> 00:12:51,240 started using a diverse array of contact 258 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:52,500 methods 259 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:54,740 which included 260 00:13:01,930 --> 00:12:59,160 radio waves it included telepathy which 261 00:13:07,129 --> 00:13:01,940 we know as ce5 262 00:13:09,769 --> 00:13:07,139 it also included ingesting mescaline so 263 00:13:12,829 --> 00:13:09,779 they could enter Altered States and have 264 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:12,839 contact that way and sometimes even they 265 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:15,420 would use a Ouija board 266 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:17,700 around this time they all developed 267 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:20,040 their own space brother names 268 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:23,279 hunrath Was Fear Khan Wilkinson was 269 00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:27,300 removed Williamson was Mark III 270 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:29,820 Baker was marking 271 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:31,320 now whether these characters actually 272 00:13:35,150 --> 00:13:33,420 thought that they were these space 273 00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:35,160 beings or not 274 00:13:40,129 --> 00:13:37,200 or or what their purpose and practice 275 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:40,139 actually was isn't exactly clear but 276 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:42,959 what we do know is that those first two 277 00:13:49,310 --> 00:13:46,500 names used 278 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:49,320 were later mentioned in George Dempsey's 279 00:13:54,110 --> 00:13:52,500 book Inside the Spaceships so that 280 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:54,120 summer on wrath and Wilkinson actually 281 00:13:58,610 --> 00:13:57,120 moved to Los Angeles and they got jobs 282 00:14:02,329 --> 00:13:58,620 to fund their Flying Saucer 283 00:14:05,210 --> 00:14:02,339 investigations their jobs were you know 284 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:05,220 I believe they were electricians 285 00:14:10,389 --> 00:14:07,200 um Wilkerson actually moved his family 286 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:10,399 into Echo Park into a rented house 287 00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:13,200 hunred found accommodations in a rooming 288 00:14:20,050 --> 00:14:17,040 house in downtown L.A November 10 1953 289 00:14:23,870 --> 00:14:20,060 hunrath found another ufologist in La 290 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:23,880 Manon Darlene alerting her that he and 291 00:14:28,610 --> 00:14:26,399 Wilkerson were going to meet up with a 292 00:14:29,930 --> 00:14:28,620 landed Flying Saucer and asked if she 293 00:14:33,050 --> 00:14:29,940 wanted to come with 294 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:33,060 and she politely declined 295 00:14:38,449 --> 00:14:35,220 fearing the men weren't working with a 296 00:14:40,850 --> 00:14:38,459 full set of dilithium crystals 297 00:14:45,410 --> 00:14:40,860 this is the part of the story where the 298 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,420 newspaper account comes into play so 299 00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:48,480 this was in the newspaper 300 00:14:53,329 --> 00:14:50,339 and it's regarding these two people 301 00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:53,339 hanrath and Wilkerson 302 00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:56,760 and how wilkerson's wife thought that 303 00:15:02,689 --> 00:14:59,040 they were kidnapped 304 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:02,699 by flying saucers two men missing in a 305 00:15:07,790 --> 00:15:05,699 light plane Los Angeles 306 00:15:09,769 --> 00:15:07,800 a light plane carrying two Los Angeles 307 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:09,779 men which left the Gardena Valley 308 00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:12,959 Airport Wednesday noon with a three-hour 309 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:16,320 fuel supply is still reported missing 310 00:15:20,269 --> 00:15:18,300 the sheriff's Arrow detail yesterday 311 00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:20,279 called off an aerial search for the 312 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:22,560 rented single engine Cessna because of 313 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:23,510 poor visibility 314 00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:25,320 [Music] 315 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,300 aboard the missing craft were Carl E 316 00:15:35,210 --> 00:15:30,240 hunrath the pilot and wilberg Wilkinson 317 00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:38,030 why fears two kidnapped by flying saucer 318 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,680 wife of one of the two former Racine men 319 00:15:45,949 --> 00:15:42,959 who disappeared in California suspects 320 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:45,959 she says that the missing men were 321 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:50,160 kidnapped by interplanetary Invaders 322 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,040 Mrs Wilbur J Wilkinson said her husband 323 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:55,440 and Carl hunrath who worked in Racine 324 00:15:59,449 --> 00:15:57,360 until last year 325 00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:59,459 disappeared in a rented plane from an 326 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:01,440 airport near Los Angeles and haven't 327 00:16:05,389 --> 00:16:03,540 been heard from 328 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:05,399 the weeks 329 00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:09,300 Wilkinson is 38th and hunrath 30. 330 00:16:15,530 --> 00:16:13,320 believe in flying saucers 331 00:16:17,930 --> 00:16:15,540 I don't expect to ever see my husband on 332 00:16:19,490 --> 00:16:17,940 this Earth again Mrs Wilkinson wrote in 333 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:19,500 a letter received this morning by her 334 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:23,040 mother Mrs Roy Keenan of 725 Madison 335 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,250 Mrs Wilkinson and her three small 336 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:30,000 daughters are expected to arrive in 337 00:16:34,009 --> 00:16:31,680 Racine next Monday 338 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:34,019 the missing men both of whom are 339 00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,060 electricians and radio fans 340 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:38,399 were described as Avid Believers in 341 00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,139 flying saucers 342 00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:42,240 both believe the end of the Earth was 343 00:16:48,170 --> 00:16:44,699 nearing and that strange little men from 344 00:16:50,749 --> 00:16:48,180 the planet Mazer were ready to invade 345 00:16:52,730 --> 00:16:50,759 Mrs Wilkinson told how her husband's Den 346 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:52,740 was in line with pictures of flying 347 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,360 saucers and strange pictures and 348 00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:56,399 writings 349 00:17:02,590 --> 00:16:58,620 which he thought was the language of the 350 00:17:08,449 --> 00:17:05,270 he said he knew the whereabouts of a 351 00:17:11,809 --> 00:17:08,459 flying saucer which landed recently 352 00:17:13,970 --> 00:17:11,819 the former Racine woman added 353 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:13,980 Wilbur called me about 10 o'clock on the 354 00:17:17,929 --> 00:17:16,740 morning of November 18th Mrs Wilkinson 355 00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:17,939 said 356 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:20,880 he asked what we were having for supper 357 00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:23,040 then he never came home 358 00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:26,939 a radio ham and a fan always an avid 359 00:17:31,549 --> 00:17:29,520 radio fan Wilkinson had a room filled 360 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:31,559 with shortwave and other radio equipment 361 00:17:36,590 --> 00:17:34,380 when the family lived at 1638 Saint 362 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:36,600 Claire Street 363 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:39,480 however the electrician's wife said he 364 00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:41,220 had a tape recordings of conversations 365 00:17:47,390 --> 00:17:43,500 with men presumably from other planets 366 00:17:52,250 --> 00:17:49,669 she also said Wilkinson had a message 367 00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:52,260 supposedly received from Prince regs of 368 00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:54,840 the planet Mazer Tech to the wall near 369 00:17:59,690 --> 00:17:56,880 his radio equipment in their Los Angeles 370 00:18:01,850 --> 00:17:59,700 home Mrs Wilkinson said her husband 371 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:01,860 really didn't seem too interested in 372 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:04,320 flag saucers except when Carl hunrath 373 00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:06,780 came around Carl was the one who talked 374 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:08,820 to send to come into California 375 00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:10,500 last June 376 00:18:14,570 --> 00:18:12,299 because he said he could actually show a 377 00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,580 flying saucer to Wilbur says husband 378 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:17,039 convinced of course I don't quite go for 379 00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:19,380 all the Flying Saucer talk but Carl had 380 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:23,720 convinced Wilbur they actually existed 381 00:18:27,470 --> 00:18:25,860 Wilkinson's family and friends said he 382 00:18:30,049 --> 00:18:27,480 talked very little but always was 383 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:30,059 willing to discuss astrology or the 384 00:18:34,430 --> 00:18:31,140 hereafter 385 00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:36,350 he was described by fellow radio 386 00:18:41,450 --> 00:18:39,539 operators in Racine is odd 387 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:41,460 however we are all trying to invent 388 00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:44,340 something new every now and then and 389 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:46,740 I guess we are all called odd at one 390 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:50,820 time or another one him added 391 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:53,280 hunrat The Bachelor when he lived near 392 00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:54,660 Racine 393 00:19:00,049 --> 00:18:57,679 had his home on the Franksville Road 394 00:19:02,090 --> 00:19:00,059 Wilkinson's move from Saint Claire's 395 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:02,100 Street to the short road before leaving 396 00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:04,140 the area 397 00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:06,600 Law Officers at Los Angeles are reported 398 00:19:10,490 --> 00:19:08,580 to have ticket and give a view of the 399 00:19:12,590 --> 00:19:10,500 saucer kidnapping 400 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:12,600 they weren't Mrs Wilkinson that both men 401 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,600 might be in for a prison term if it is 402 00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:18,480 shown they stole the plane 403 00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:20,940 Mrs Wilkinson who admitted having an 404 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,200 argument with her husband the night 405 00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,760 before he disappeared 406 00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:25,679 still maintains that 407 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:27,720 I just can't help but think flying 408 00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:41,420 [Music] 409 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:54,409 what actually happened here we have 410 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,160 Wilkerson 411 00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,320 who apparently is an into flying saucers 412 00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:01,200 until this hunrath guy comes along then 413 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,419 he is 414 00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:06,000 and they invent something called Bosco 415 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,280 which takes down flying saucers and they 416 00:20:12,590 --> 00:20:10,320 know that how 417 00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:12,600 hunrath moves out to Los Angeles and 418 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:15,480 meets Georgia damsky the perfect person 419 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:19,020 for unread to meet to not only you know 420 00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:21,480 sell his Bosco device but you know start 421 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,780 mingling with contactees and and other 422 00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:26,220 ufologists 423 00:20:32,750 --> 00:20:29,580 and he actually gets Wilkerson to move 424 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:32,760 his entire family out to Echo Park 425 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:35,340 California 426 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,100 to see a landed Flying Saucer apparently 427 00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:40,799 to his wife according to his wife 428 00:20:44,810 --> 00:20:43,080 that's a big move to move all the way 429 00:20:48,110 --> 00:20:44,820 across the country the other interesting 430 00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:48,120 thing about this a whole story is this 431 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:49,580 is 432 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,580 1952 1952 was the busiest Flying Saucer 433 00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:55,860 here in the United States of America 434 00:21:02,029 --> 00:20:59,400 Barnard to this day even that we know of 435 00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:02,039 documented 436 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:04,980 Not only was the capital 437 00:21:12,409 --> 00:21:10,200 um flown over by UFOs but that same 438 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:12,419 exact thing was happening all over the 439 00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:14,460 country 440 00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:15,900 sometimes 441 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:18,840 many many times in the same day 442 00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:24,289 and it just so happens that we have 443 00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:27,419 these contact movements starting 444 00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,400 and this guy goes 445 00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:32,400 to see a flag saucer 446 00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:36,539 and they never come back they disappear 447 00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:39,179 and no one's ever found them all this 448 00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:41,940 time and no one's found them 449 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:44,280 certainly if they were alive they I'm 450 00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:52,669 did they crash how come no one's found 451 00:22:02,450 --> 00:21:59,750 interesting and it reminds me of the 452 00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:02,460 Australian case where a pilot was 453 00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:03,659 actually 454 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:05,640 on his 455 00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:10,500 intercom is communication systems with 456 00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:12,780 the tower control 457 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:16,559 talking about a UFO around his plane 458 00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,940 the communications get interrupted 459 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:23,039 and the guy disappears Frederick 460 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:26,400 Valentine I think his name is 461 00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:29,400 is that what happened here 462 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:34,070 very interesting apparently hunrath was 463 00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:37,020 an amateur pilot and hadn't flown for a 464 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:39,900 long time so if you also take that into 465 00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:43,380 account if you're not really familiar 466 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:45,539 with flying I don't think being a pilot 467 00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,640 is something to take lightly and if 468 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,200 you're going to do that in a new place 469 00:22:54,730 --> 00:22:52,080 like you know California 470 00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:54,740 um maybe there was some 471 00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,780 unpreparedness uh going on there and and 472 00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,000 maybe they crash but still they didn't 473 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,679 find the wreckage I know the world's a 474 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:03,480 big place it could be anywhere including 475 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,640 the bottom of the ocean 476 00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,400 um but just a really interesting case 477 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:10,320 that 478 00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:14,460 you know takes this guy Wilbur Wilkinson 479 00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:18,480 from no interest in flag saucers to an 480 00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:20,039 avid interest 481 00:23:24,169 --> 00:23:22,679 to moving his whole life across the 482 00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,179 entire country 483 00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:26,640 for that interest 484 00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:29,580 only to disappear 485 00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:36,470 if you are one of those people 486 00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:43,549 you know if flag saucers or UFOs have 487 00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:47,039 any negative aspect to them 488 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,460 I simply implore you to look at cases 489 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,500 like this one and the case like the 490 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,720 Australian pilot and other cases like 491 00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:57,000 Captain Mantel in 1948 where he went to 492 00:24:05,149 --> 00:24:01,679 chase uh what was this a UFO 493 00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,950 you know 494 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,299 these are negative consequences whether 495 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,240 they are intended or not is another 496 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:14,940 question but someone being so influenced 497 00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:18,000 by the power of interest in UFOs to 498 00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:20,220 travel across country move his family 499 00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,580 across country only to disappear and 500 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:26,640 never come back again on a trip to find 501 00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:30,059 a landed Flying Saucer is 502 00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,039 incredible power 503 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:35,520 the the wife and kids wound up moving 504 00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,510 and so you know some people theorized or 505 00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:43,500 or guessed that maybe they went to 506 00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:44,940 Mexico 507 00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,250 that Wilkinson well I don't know the guy 508 00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,299 obviously but what kind of person would 509 00:24:57,529 --> 00:24:56,220 you have to be to move your whole family 510 00:25:03,049 --> 00:24:57,539 out 511 00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:05,390 that's a pretty terrible person 512 00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:09,419 I think they either crashed or 513 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:11,640 I think Wilkinson's wife 514 00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,289 maybe something happened I'm not sure I 515 00:25:21,649 --> 00:25:19,679 think it's an interesting case because 516 00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:21,659 however you feel about 517 00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:25,679 um you know a dabsky or or contactees or 518 00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:28,700 people who you know practice ce5 519 00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:31,380 it's all a part of the picture of 520 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:34,679 ufology and hoaxes are too 521 00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,320 you know and I think Georgia damski 522 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,480 Maybe started with a real experience and 523 00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:41,520 then maybe started making some up but 524 00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:44,700 I'm not sure you know I'm not uh the 525 00:25:48,649 --> 00:25:47,159 go-to resource on Georgia damsky I've 526 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:48,659 looked into his case a little bit for 527 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:51,000 sure but I'm the kind of guy if if 528 00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:53,100 you've watched this show long enough at 529 00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:55,020 this point you realize that you know 530 00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:57,960 something's kind of like a popular well 531 00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,400 known already 532 00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,919 um I tend to kind of shy away from that 533 00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:04,320 not for any particular reason like I 534 00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:05,820 think I'm going to find something new or 535 00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:07,980 whatever that's it's just what I do it's 536 00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,700 like 537 00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:10,500 you know everybody said Georgia dance 538 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:12,779 game a million different times 539 00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,559 um and it's a complicated and 540 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,419 long story 541 00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,360 that if I were to cover a damski it 542 00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,460 would take its own you know episode and 543 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,080 I'm not sure if you know that's 544 00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:27,600 something that interests me or you so 545 00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:29,460 but this story I thought was definitely 546 00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,779 interesting 547 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,700 um and I thought it was even before I 548 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:34,640 learned about the connection to adamski 549 00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,740 so basically you know the source they 550 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,320 used for this story most of the story 551 00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,600 was a website where I where I found the 552 00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,880 writing um that talked about unwrath and 553 00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:47,279 and Wilkerson and and how they met at 554 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,760 damsky so I can't really vouch you know 555 00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:52,980 for a lot of that stuff I wasn't there 556 00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:54,600 they're not government documents or 557 00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,980 whatever and even if they're government 558 00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,659 documents can you vouch for it I don't 559 00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:00,360 know that's another question but 560 00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,850 it's a party equality it's a part of the 561 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:07,020 lower so I wanted to tell the story and 562 00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:08,760 I hope you enjoyed it so these other 563 00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,620 newspaper clippings that I'm gonna read 564 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,679 from are an assortment 565 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,200 um I think oftentimes we forget and 566 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:17,760 especially if you don't look into the 567 00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,039 topic very often 568 00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,620 um you know you don't realize how 569 00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:25,679 serious that the military in the Air 570 00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:28,440 Force especially took flag saucers when 571 00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:30,980 they first you know arrived on the scene 572 00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,120 in modern ufology and Antiquity in about 573 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:37,200 1947-ish you know 574 00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:40,200 and these articles in the newspaper you 575 00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:42,179 know clearly paint a picture of how 576 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,799 serious 577 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:46,080 um the military and the defense 578 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:48,600 department actually took these reports 579 00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,440 to the point of where they'd 580 00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:55,679 you know set up huge uh camera projects 581 00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:58,200 to try and take pictures of them to have 582 00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,380 protocols to to chase UFOs with their 583 00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,140 Jets all that stuff is really expensive 584 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:07,919 and pricey and and those are big plans 585 00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:11,100 and to simply just Implement those 586 00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:13,799 you know and think that UFOs are nothing 587 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,760 but meteors and planes and balloons 588 00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:19,260 seems somewhat ridiculous 589 00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:21,900 it is ridiculous 590 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:24,179 and if there was some sort of other you 591 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,620 know plan there 592 00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,320 like we're gonna tell the people we're 593 00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,360 photographing flank saucers but we know 594 00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:32,760 they're not real and we're photographing 595 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:39,409 well that would be a huge deception 596 00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:43,380 and theft from the American taxpayers so 597 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,240 I don't I really don't think that's the 598 00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:47,039 case I think they were also very 599 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:50,340 concerned by flag saucers and you can 600 00:29:03,529 --> 00:28:58,610 in the other newspaper clipping is I'm 601 00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:03,539 just a short story about an armada of 602 00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:06,840 flank saucers that arrived one day in 603 00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,679 Farmington New Mexico 604 00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,140 this case is probably one that deserves 605 00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:15,360 maybe its own you know attention 606 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:17,820 separate from you know reading old 607 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,240 newspaper clippings but I came across it 608 00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,039 and 609 00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:27,120 deeper into the case on a different 610 00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:27,960 episode 611 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:31,740 so I hope you enjoy this segment 612 00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:35,340 of back in time flying saucers are top 613 00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:36,779 secret 614 00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:39,059 the South African Department of Defense 615 00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,340 is labeled all information about flying 616 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:43,679 saucers seen in South Africa in its 617 00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,760 files top secret not to be divulged some 618 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,520 people in South Africa and Rhodesia who 619 00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:52,620 claim to have seen suspicious flying 620 00:29:56,889 --> 00:29:54,360 objects have sent the defense 621 00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:56,899 authorities completed 20-page 622 00:30:02,870 --> 00:29:59,880 questionnaires giving details 623 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:02,880 Flying Saucer cameras are set up by Air 624 00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:05,940 Force Washington up 625 00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:08,100 the Air Force is said today it has set 626 00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,020 up flank saucer cameras around the 627 00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:11,760 country to clear up the mystery of 628 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:13,799 strange objects reported from time to 629 00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:16,620 time to be flitting through the skies 630 00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:19,080 the cameras are designed to analyze 631 00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,179 moving lights to determine whether they 632 00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:23,279 are merely insubstantial flows or come 633 00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,220 from identifiable material objects 634 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,740 the devices are diffraction grading 635 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,760 cameras 636 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:32,220 which separate light into its component 637 00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,860 parts and register them on film 638 00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,260 astronomers use similar equipment to 639 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:40,020 determine the composition of stars 640 00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:41,940 with this new equipment the Air Force 641 00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:44,279 said scientists may be able to determine 642 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,919 the source of unidentified lights 643 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:49,200 an Air Force spokesman said the cameras 644 00:30:52,510 --> 00:30:50,700 were set up where saucers have 645 00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:52,520 frequently been reported in the past 646 00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,980 here and in California Texas and 647 00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,419 elsewhere 648 00:31:01,860 --> 00:30:59,640 flying saucers have been reported 649 00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:01,870 sporadically since 1947. 650 00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,000 [Music] 651 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:05,820 in a new fact sheet on flying saucers 652 00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:08,460 the Air Force said the majority of all 653 00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:10,140 reported sightings have been found to 654 00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,120 involve either man-made objects such as 655 00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,600 aircraft or balloons or known phenomena 656 00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,480 such as meteors and planets 657 00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,360 so it remains to be seen why the Air 658 00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:23,640 Force is spending taxpayer money 659 00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:26,700 on this project to begin with 660 00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,620 [Music] 661 00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:30,720 the Air Force reaffirmed its position 662 00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:33,000 that the Unexplained aerial phenomenon 663 00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:35,340 are not a secret weapon missile or 664 00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,880 aircraft developed by the United States 665 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,320 it also stated that 666 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:42,960 no authentic physical evidence has been 667 00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:45,600 received establishing the existence of 668 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,659 spaceships from other planets Mass 669 00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:50,940 flight of flying saucers 670 00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,779 Farmington New Mexico March 17th 671 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,880 a mass flight of flying saucers over 672 00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,640 this Northwestern New Mexico oil town of 673 00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:02,340 5 000 population was reported today by 674 00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:04,020 50 persons 675 00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:07,620 including businessmen and private Pilots 676 00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,140 detailed accounts of the flight varied 677 00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:12,480 but editor Orville Ricketts of the 678 00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,520 Farmington Daily Times said he had 679 00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,799 collected the names of at least 50 men 680 00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:18,720 and women who witnessed the strange 681 00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,610 Air Force officials have been 682 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,600 investigating flying saucers since they 683 00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:30,000 were first reported in 1947 but never 684 00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:31,980 have found any evidence to support the 685 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,899 rumors 686 00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,760 the witness estimated the number of 687 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:37,380 objects which appeared in groups 688 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:39,720 commencing at 10 30 am and Lasting for 689 00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:46,610 the advertising manager of the times 690 00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:49,500 Clayton bodies said he was with a group 691 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:51,419 of five businessmen who saw a mass 692 00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,409 body said they were all disc shaped and 693 00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:58,559 fluttered through the air without 694 00:33:02,269 --> 00:33:00,059 descending to Earth 695 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,279 that it was clear with only clouds at an 696 00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:04,200 estimated altitude of twenty thousand 697 00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:06,419 feet Ricketts said with virtually no 698 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:07,980 strong win which would have picked up 699 00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:10,200 paper or similar material and carried it 700 00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,389 among the saucers spotted by 701 00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:18,960 unestimated scores of persons on 702 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:21,960 Farmington streets was one low-flying 703 00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:25,140 red hued saucer-shaped object which 704 00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:26,940 streaked across the sky and south to 705 00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,450 Rick had set a cross track of witnesses 706 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,080 revealed that the object cleared the 707 00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:36,600 Horizon in its tremendous speed in a 708 00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:42,950 all of the objects were a silvery color 709 00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:45,779 except for the one red saucer and all 710 00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:47,940 except a ladder appeared to be an 711 00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:52,559 extremely high altitude the editor said 712 00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,600 Ricketts said that among the Witnesses 713 00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,820 were airplane pilots including one Navy 714 00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,279 veteran who had flown in combat in the 715 00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,260 Pacific during the war 716 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,539 okay now I want to go over a Project 717 00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:05,940 Blue Book case 718 00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:10,619 um officially classed as unidentified 719 00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,159 and it's a perfect example of the kinds 720 00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:16,560 of witnesses 721 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,810 those who are familiar with ufology and 722 00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:25,440 UFO reports 723 00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:27,659 know quite well 724 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,580 that we see all kinds of witnesses 725 00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:31,520 whether you know they're Pilots doctors 726 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:35,399 lawyers Air Force pilots Navy Pilots you 727 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:36,080 know 728 00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:40,020 Senators presidents 729 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:44,580 so that's not much of a surprise to us 730 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,589 and a lot of people 731 00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:54,480 still think that if you report a flying 732 00:35:01,329 --> 00:34:57,780 saucer or some sort of encounter or 733 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:01,339 experience you might have 734 00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:05,280 psychological issues perhaps 735 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:07,500 but what if the person reporting 736 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,970 actually works for a neuroscience 737 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,640 research program 738 00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:18,720 and the people running Blue Book 739 00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,760 actually thought that 740 00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:23,760 their consultant Dr Alan heineck might 741 00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:26,760 actually know the witness already 742 00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:35,089 NASA and the Smithsonian 743 00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,770 to know 744 00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:44,680 that there are things out there 745 00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:45,839 [Music] 746 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,660 and this is all I'm saying not going out 747 00:35:53,569 --> 00:35:51,300 on a limb 748 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:53,579 they're talking about aliens and caves 749 00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:55,020 here 750 00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:02,930 when all culminated together 751 00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:04,859 that there is clearly something out 752 00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,300 there 753 00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:09,839 that we as human beings 754 00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:17,630 that we don't understand but 755 00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:19,430 everyone has the right to their own 756 00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,980 opinion that's just my 26 me 757 00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,680 64. 758 00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,560 Cambridge Massachusetts 759 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:30,660 Source civilian 760 00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,550 number of objects one length of 761 00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:40,500 observation three to four seconds type 762 00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:49,730 photos no physical evidence no 763 00:36:57,530 --> 00:36:55,250 Dear John 764 00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,540 a project office at Wright Batterson Air 765 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:00,000 Force Base has informed us of the 766 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,560 receipt of report of a UFO from you 767 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,420 since the Air Force Project Blue Book 768 00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:08,400 office is unable to determine the cause 769 00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,099 of your sighting your report has been 770 00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:13,440 sent to Jay Allen heineck Air Force 771 00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:16,500 consultant and the UFO program for his 772 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,730 it is possible that you and Dr heineck 773 00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:25,020 are already acquainted Duty or 774 00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,680 Smithsonian slash NASA Association 775 00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:31,680 during the satellite tracking program 776 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,099 sincerely Madison mjax major 777 00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:37,440 United States Air Force public 778 00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:40,200 information Division office of 779 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,579 information 780 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,160 Dearborn Observatory Northwestern 781 00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,280 University Evanston Illinois 5 January 782 00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:49,200 1965. 783 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,420 major Quintanilla foreign technology 784 00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:52,560 division 785 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:56,099 Fox 9494 Ray Patterson Air Force Base at 786 00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:57,420 Dayton Ohio 787 00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:00,180 dear major 788 00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:02,220 I finally got around to calling John who 789 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,300 turned in the sighting of May 26 1964. 790 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:08,040 the sighting was made from a location 791 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,220 I'm fairly familiar with myself the 792 00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:13,079 parking lot at Sears in Cambridge 793 00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,540 Massachusetts which was just a few 794 00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,300 blocks from The Observatory 795 00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:21,119 on a very clear day 796 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,920 one can see the aircraft from Logan 797 00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:25,320 airport and also from Bedford 798 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,300 John indicated that this was a very 799 00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:29,700 clear day with about 0.4 cumulus 800 00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,020 coverage 801 00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,880 he was in the parking lot with his young 802 00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,859 two-year-old son and had been watching 803 00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,380 some fairchilds eye in the sky and since 804 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:40,020 the sun had been restive in the car 805 00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:42,180 he suggested they both look up in the 806 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,800 sky at the airplanes 807 00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,599 and it was at that moment that he saw 808 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,700 this strange elliptical object go across 809 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:49,440 the sky from about 10 degrees to the 810 00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,380 northeast of the horizon 811 00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,420 to about 40 degrees above the Southwest 812 00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,680 Horizon 813 00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:57,900 where it was cut off by the roof of a 814 00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,170 the duration of the sighting was only 815 00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:05,099 three or four seconds and the object 816 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,560 moved above 50 or 60 degrees during that 817 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:09,720 time the statement made it in his 818 00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,940 original letter that the object was 819 00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:14,040 moving from a thousand to three thousand 820 00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:16,140 seconds of Arc per second at a time as 821 00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:17,820 erroneous 822 00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:19,740 he was basing that on any 823 00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,720 miscalculations of Baker non-camera 824 00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,099 tracking rates 825 00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,619 John had been one of the men I employed 826 00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,560 as a satellite tracker in Iran he's a 827 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,660 very reliable fellow and not at all 828 00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,920 excitable 829 00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:34,440 the net result of the rather long phone 830 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,420 call with him is simply that the 831 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:38,700 sighting Still Remains unidentified 832 00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,680 and that there is no basic discrepancy 833 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:42,660 between the data contained in his letter 834 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,960 of May 29 1964. 835 00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,760 in that given many months later by 836 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,380 telephone 837 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,960 although there is only one witness he is 838 00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,240 entirely reliable 839 00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:56,579 and was actually trained as an observer 840 00:40:01,730 --> 00:39:59,700 was a pilot and operated a satellite 841 00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:01,740 tracking camera for three and one half 842 00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,250 it is for this reason that I took the 843 00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:09,119 time to talk with him as closely as I 844 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:10,079 did 845 00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,420 in my phone call he talked entirely from 846 00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,420 memory and had no notes as my phone call 847 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,000 took him entirely by surprise 848 00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:21,359 yet except in minor points the account 849 00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:23,579 was identical with that given in his 850 00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:25,619 original interview 851 00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,720 for the record it might be good to go 852 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,940 over a few of the essential points 853 00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,740 he said he was fairly cynical about the 854 00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:33,359 matter of flying saucers 855 00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,460 although he had experience with the man 856 00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:37,980 who had seen just a few months prior to 857 00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:40,680 that a fast flat object which hovered in 858 00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:43,140 the sky and had a Falling Leaf motion 859 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,260 but wasn't falling 860 00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,720 immediately after he had this experience 861 00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:50,640 in the Sears parking lot he made rough 862 00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,140 pencil notes and later made a more 863 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:54,180 extensive resume which included in the 864 00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:55,380 letter 865 00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,140 the time he stated was 1943 but this was 866 00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,260 e-time it was actually 3 43 PM eastern 867 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,119 Daylight Saving Time under very good 868 00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:05,040 conditions of visibility 869 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,970 the trajectory was completely straight 870 00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,140 it did pass behind cumulus clouds but 871 00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:15,720 did not leave a contrail at about the 872 00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,119 same time there was a contrail that was 873 00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:20,160 left by high-flying plane 874 00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:27,170 at first they thought it was a vapor 875 00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,619 plate 876 00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:30,300 however he decided it couldn't be 877 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:31,740 employed because it passed behind a 878 00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:32,940 cumulus cloud 879 00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:34,859 further he couldn't see where the 880 00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,839 thermal would have come from and the 881 00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:38,520 object wasn't flipping as it would have 882 00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,900 in a thermal 883 00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:41,820 he thought it could see an edge to the 884 00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:44,520 object which was not fuzzy 885 00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:46,859 it's impact toward them and there seemed 886 00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:49,079 to be a demarcation between the top and 887 00:41:52,849 --> 00:41:50,940 bottom 888 00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,859 when asked 889 00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,680 what he would have put up in the sky to 890 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,420 simulate the object 891 00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,280 he said he would put up two purely white 892 00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,400 picnic plates glued together 893 00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:04,920 said the object had no bumps on it at 894 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:06,180 all 895 00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:10,020 been 896 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:12,900 he said that if it was an aerodynamic in 897 00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:15,720 nature it should have been in a turn 898 00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:18,119 because of its cockposition 899 00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,280 but it flew in a completely straight 900 00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:21,599 line 901 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:24,119 you tried visualizing it as a sweat back 902 00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:27,780 plane but but just couldn't 903 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:29,579 the high Den was just about the same 904 00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,760 shape as the front pretty good oval 905 00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:34,500 you look for a trail 906 00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:36,060 and you look for an apparent change in 907 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:37,200 shape 908 00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:38,700 you could see aircraft at Great 909 00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,820 distances and identify them he saw three 910 00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,099 twin engine fairchilds 911 00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:46,079 he saw transports coming in towards 912 00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:48,359 Hanscom and he herded transport shortly 913 00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,320 afterwards but no sound from this object 914 00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,960 he did not observe through a window but 915 00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:57,599 was leaning out of the car trying to 916 00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,900 point out the transports to his son 917 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,599 as far as color is concerned he said the 918 00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:05,760 object was exactly the color of a 919 00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:07,859 metallic surface reflecting cumulus 920 00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,940 clouds 921 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,520 but the cumulus at about 2500 and 8 000 922 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,480 feet 923 00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,880 although he realizes he cannot tell 924 00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,920 distances and sizes 925 00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,020 he had the intuitive feeling that the 926 00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,020 object was 15 to 20 feet in diameter 927 00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,599 as far as apparent size was concerned 928 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:26,819 it was one-third to one-half the size of 929 00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,160 a full moon in appearance the object 930 00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,040 appears at a very thin ellipsoid with a 931 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,099 major to minor diameter ratio of 932 00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,400 approximately 3.5 to 1. he is naturally 933 00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,200 curious as to what the object might have 934 00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,079 been and wonders whether we could at 935 00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:45,660 this late date check radar 936 00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:48,119 I informed him that there was very 937 00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,500 little chance of that 938 00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:52,319 that this could have been done had we 939 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,060 had immediate capability and if the 940 00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:56,460 sighting had been reported immediately 941 00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,680 a quizzed him about the one thousand and 942 00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:01,020 three thousand seconds of Arc per second 943 00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:02,760 and he admitted that this was a gross 944 00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,339 miscalculation since this will give only 945 00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,260 about two degrees for the total duration 946 00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:10,200 of the sighting and this is entirely out 947 00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:11,579 of the question 948 00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:14,280 he also quickly dismissed the idea that 949 00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:15,900 it might have been a goal writing a 950 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,859 thermal 951 00:44:21,290 --> 00:44:18,720 he said this occurred to him at the time 952 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,300 he was making the sighting but it did 953 00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:23,700 not jive with the facts 954 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:26,460 so we have another unidentified that 955 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:28,920 falls in the general pattern of rapidly 956 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,400 flying distance straight trajectories 957 00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:35,280 despite the shortness of the observation 958 00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:37,260 considered weight must be given to the 959 00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:38,940 Excellence of the Observer who in this 960 00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:41,339 case was trained for specific tracking 961 00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:43,020 of objects in the sky 962 00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,060 he'll be in Washington during his State 963 00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,520 Department training and if any further 964 00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:49,680 questions arise I can get in touch with 965 00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:52,859 him there sincerely Alan 966 00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,560 MIT Massachusetts Institute of 967 00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:58,260 Technology neurosciences research 968 00:45:02,990 --> 00:44:59,180 program 969 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,000 qualifications as Observer 970 00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:06,300 qualified RAF pilot in 1945 with 971 00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:09,660 approximately 200 hours and holder of 972 00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,380 private pilot's license college graduate 973 00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,079 holder of a series of jobs and Armament 974 00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:19,140 research and the Aerospace field both in 975 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:21,420 design and production 976 00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,460 I also spent three and a half years in 977 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:26,240 Iran as a satellite Observer for 978 00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,880 Smithsonian institution NASA 979 00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:31,920 we were operating there in Optical 980 00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,440 tracking station equipped with a 981 00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,720 standard Baker none tracking camera 982 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:39,839 I'm presently a writer evaluator with 983 00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,260 MIT as shown on the letterhead my 984 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,380 eyesight last tested in a rough test was 985 00:45:55,930 --> 00:45:49,920 2020. I'm available after Thursday June 986 00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:00,890 [Music] 987 00:46:54,740 --> 00:46:58,970 thank you 988 00:46:58,980 --> 00:47:11,809 [Music] 989 00:47:11,819 --> 00:47:16,200 foreign 990 00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:58,309 [Music] 991 00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:07,720 foreign 992 00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:14,550 [Music] 993 00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:25,670 from 994 00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,109 um I started as a non-designated seaman 995 00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:35,880 but I I wanted to do something 996 00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,880 um career-wise so I chose to be a Master 997 00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:40,800 at Arms 998 00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:43,560 um if you know Sean Cahill he he too was 999 00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,619 a mastered arms so that's that's weird 1000 00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,540 that Lou has two best friends that are 1001 00:48:53,450 --> 00:48:50,640 Master of Arms but there's only like one 1002 00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:53,460 first ship right so yeah he just 1003 00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:55,020 collects mastered arms that's what he 1004 00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:56,760 does what happened 1005 00:49:02,329 --> 00:48:58,920 1889 joined the Navy became a Master at 1006 00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:02,339 Arms and the last gig I had was 1007 00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,200 independent mastered arms I was a chief 1008 00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:06,960 mastered arms on board the USS collector 1009 00:49:13,130 --> 00:49:10,440 and I retired and I remember 1010 00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:13,140 there was um I served on board the USS 1011 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:16,940 John F Kennedy twice from night okay 1012 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:20,880 1998 to 2001 September like 1013 00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:23,640 fourth September 4th I remember the day 1014 00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,140 because it obviously it wasn't that long 1015 00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:27,119 so 9 11 right so right and then the 1016 00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:28,200 second time 1017 00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:31,380 I served as the lpo which means I was 1018 00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:33,780 like the head of security 1019 00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:37,859 um for that for the carrier and 1020 00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:40,740 um while I served on board that ship it 1021 00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:43,500 was two different times 1022 00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:46,619 um I heard a story it was a rumor I 1023 00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:48,839 believe the first time I heard it I was 1024 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,240 actually I was a break supervisor at the 1025 00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:53,280 time and I ran the bridge on the on the 1026 00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,280 John F Kennedy and I came across a watch 1027 00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:58,680 Stander uh they just go and they get 1028 00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,300 basically 1029 00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,240 qualified anybody can get qualified as a 1030 00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,460 corrections officer they can just go to 1031 00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:07,200 the school and you know they just 1032 00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,420 basically watch prisoners in in Bridge 1033 00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,800 so 1034 00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,000 um I had 1035 00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,700 um I don't even know who it was but they 1036 00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:16,380 told me about the story on board the 1037 00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,180 John F Kennedy back in 1971 that during 1038 00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:23,760 um after flight Ops 1039 00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:26,460 um somewhere in the Caribbean 1040 00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:28,920 um there was a um 1041 00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,060 a a UFO for our UAP whatever you want to 1042 00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:35,400 call it was above 1043 00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,319 John F Kennedy 1044 00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,000 and 1045 00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:42,720 I was told that the lookout totally 1046 00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:43,980 freaked out 1047 00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,680 he was like talking over the inner 1048 00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:48,240 Constitution they have we have well we 1049 00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,220 have um even to this day I'm sure they 1050 00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,020 have it's called sound sound power 1051 00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,599 telephones you can take a you have a 1052 00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,680 thing come up and you could talk into 1053 00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,480 the diaphragm and it creates electricity 1054 00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,520 right and if that breaks you can 1055 00:51:03,849 --> 00:51:02,160 actually talk right into the 1056 00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:03,859 um your headphone and it'll actually 1057 00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,900 transfer what you're saying so the whole 1058 00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:08,760 technology from World War II but it's 1059 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,119 still I'm sure it's still around but uh 1060 00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:13,680 the people up on the bridge and 1061 00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:16,260 apparently people who uh the crypto the 1062 00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,540 cryptologist 1063 00:51:22,730 --> 00:51:20,280 um folk heard there was a ship up there 1064 00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:22,740 and above the ship the craft 1065 00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:25,500 and um they they went up there and they 1066 00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,460 saw it 1067 00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,520 what's up that totally blew me away now 1068 00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,980 the second time I heard that story it 1069 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,720 was from I know who it was I know the 1070 00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,760 person's name I knew his rank I knew his 1071 00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:37,680 rate he was down in the brig with me as 1072 00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,380 well and uh he told me that story and 1073 00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,119 I'm thinking to myself 1074 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,520 something right here because we've got 1075 00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:47,280 like thousands of people on the ship and 1076 00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:49,079 I know what it's like to spread rumors 1077 00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:50,819 on a ship I used to do it intentionally 1078 00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:54,420 in order to prank people right hey hey 1079 00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,220 did you hear that we're pulling in uh 1080 00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:58,319 after tomorrow yeah we're supposed to be 1081 00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,940 out here for a month but we're pulling 1082 00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,160 into Mar because we're having issues and 1083 00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:05,280 my sister-in-law's husband runs Harbor 1084 00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,839 Ops and they're setting up the pier 1085 00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,640 right now for us to pull in tomorrow so 1086 00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:10,079 we would do that we would say these kind 1087 00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,579 of things on the smoke deck right just 1088 00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,980 to spread rumors and the executive 1089 00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:16,140 officer would come over there I just 1090 00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:22,270 great 1091 00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:31,069 uh so after I heard about the story a 1092 00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:33,780 second time I'm thinking to myself we 1093 00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:35,220 all know the telephone game in 1094 00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,260 elementary school where you line up kids 1095 00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:38,880 and you tell them a little story and see 1096 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:42,059 how it develops it was the same story 1097 00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:44,760 man it was the same story 1098 00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:46,980 um and then one day this was back in 1099 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:50,520 2017 so I got into all this in 2017 1100 00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,260 where 1101 00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:55,040 um I was Googling or going on YouTube 1102 00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,540 trying to find the decommissioned video 1103 00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,760 of the John F Kennedy because I didn't 1104 00:53:04,930 --> 00:53:01,740 get to watch the decommissioning because 1105 00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:04,940 I was in the security uh trailer 1106 00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:07,020 coordinate security for the whole 1107 00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,240 Evolution right so I got people 1108 00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,359 everywhere on patrol and I'm still I'm 1109 00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:13,920 I'm sitting in the air conditioning I 1110 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,099 didn't get to see the decommissioning so 1111 00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:19,680 um what happened I was 2017 I was 1112 00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,700 Googling 1113 00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:23,760 uh decommissioning John F Kennedy USS 1114 00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,720 John F Kennedy and I came across 1115 00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:30,000 um Dr Stephen Greer's Channel and 1116 00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:31,859 there's a cryptologist 1117 00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:35,040 who told the story the exact same story 1118 00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,380 that I heard well there's got to be 1119 00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:40,559 something to this right I heard it twice 1120 00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,980 he's telling me the exact same story 1121 00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:45,359 so 1122 00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,599 um of course 2017 rolls around we know 1123 00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,280 about those 1124 00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:52,619 um UFO videos that were released by some 1125 00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,420 people that we know probably right so 1126 00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:57,839 that got released and 1127 00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:00,420 um I started independent researching 1128 00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:03,059 just like everybody else sure you know 1129 00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:05,339 I'm looking up videos I'm trying to 1130 00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:07,220 study cases 1131 00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:11,280 and about it was over a year ago 1132 00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,980 where I was trying to get my story out I 1133 00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:16,319 sent my story to 1134 00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:20,099 um George Knapp I set my story to 1135 00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:21,540 um 1136 00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,660 uh Preston didn't sit my story you know 1137 00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:26,700 anybody who would listen to me I just 1138 00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,609 disappear I was hearing some change ago 1139 00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:36,420 I became 1140 00:54:45,609 --> 00:54:43,020 really good friends with Rob not knowing 1141 00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:45,619 Rob was good friends with Lou so 1142 00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,260 Lou is our common friend sure which 1143 00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,780 blows my mind I mean there's only a few 1144 00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:53,940 friends that Lou has right you can kind 1145 00:55:01,069 --> 00:54:58,609 so um 1146 00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,079 I'm talking to Rob and I said I want to 1147 00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:02,640 I'm going to interview somebody about 1148 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:05,660 what happened so I put it on Facebook 1149 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:08,940 USS John F Kennedy Facebook page 1150 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:12,300 and um I said hey uh I put that video 1151 00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:16,740 from Dr Steven Greer on to that 1152 00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:19,920 um that Facebook page and then I posed 1153 00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,200 the question does anybody know anything 1154 00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:23,359 about 1155 00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,740 you know this 1156 00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:28,319 and it must have been about 1157 00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,440 two or three weeks I got a first 1158 00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,559 hand witness this guy 1159 00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:36,540 saw the craft he was there with a guy 1160 00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:39,660 freaked out well I took really good 1161 00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:41,819 notes right wow 1162 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,760 um so I made a video about it 1163 00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,920 uh before that before I made the video 1164 00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:48,720 about it I did 1165 00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:51,300 finally go on um 1166 00:55:58,089 --> 00:55:54,780 um I contacted um 1167 00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,099 Martin Willis sure right Martin Willis 1168 00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,440 and he had me come on to show and he 1169 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,300 interviewed me and I told him 1170 00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:06,000 I told him the story and then um I 1171 00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:08,220 wanted to try to dig out some 1172 00:56:13,089 --> 00:56:10,619 information so I did do my first 1173 00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:13,099 Freedom Freedom of Information 1174 00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:18,480 right and it ca I got a response like 1175 00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:22,440 quit sorry all the deck logs are missing 1176 00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:26,160 wow so I'm going oh my God so 1177 00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:29,460 I I know this really happened right and 1178 00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,380 just to 1179 00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:34,079 finish up on that story not too long ago 1180 00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,140 it was earlier last year I got a hold of 1181 00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:39,960 uh David I was talking to him on the 1182 00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:41,880 phone I said hey baby 1183 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,240 even I need to talk young man so he had 1184 00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:47,520 that Story come out about USS Ronald 1185 00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:51,960 Reagan right right guess what I am I 1186 00:56:58,490 --> 00:56:55,460 know that's the same craft same problem 1187 00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,500 above that ship we're off the uh off the 1188 00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:00,720 porter starboard Stern uh off the port 1189 00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:03,540 and starboard of that ship and the way 1190 00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:07,079 it was described and how um 1191 00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,920 yeah uh I think that's a ship that does 1192 00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,180 reconnaissance 1193 00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:14,520 and I think that also may be the same 1194 00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:17,640 ship that does the nuclear they turn off 1195 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:19,859 nukes and stuff like that now strong and 1196 00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:22,200 stuff like that right I think it's the 1197 00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,420 same right what do you think their 1198 00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:26,700 interest is in in the Navy because I 1199 00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,680 research a lot of uh like the older 1200 00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:30,480 cases that are available 1201 00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:32,220 um to the public like Blue Book cases 1202 00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,339 and there's so many 1203 00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,640 um from from Navy ships out in the ocean 1204 00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:40,680 my opinion is that these crafts just 1205 00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:42,300 like we had military crap that do 1206 00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,480 certain missions I think this uh the one 1207 00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:47,640 that's been witnessed above the Ronald 1208 00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,839 Reagan malstrom John F Kennedy these 1209 00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:53,280 Craft 1210 00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,960 um you use certain craft to complete 1211 00:58:01,309 --> 00:57:59,160 missions 1212 00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,319 right so this one I think this is 1213 00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:04,160 basically a reconnaissance type of craft 1214 00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:07,440 and it's been around obviously from 71 1215 00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:10,260 obviously even back in the 60s right 1216 00:58:14,650 --> 00:58:11,579 um that 1217 00:58:16,510 --> 00:58:14,660 um Air Force officer Salas 1218 00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,520 yeah yeah 1219 00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:19,140 he talks about that saying well the 1220 00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,180 witness that he was listening to on the 1221 00:58:25,930 --> 00:58:23,520 phone was describing the same crap above 1222 00:58:29,650 --> 00:58:25,940 that his new orange 1223 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:29,660 yeah yeah and uh Mario 1224 00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:33,000 Woods who just I think um gave his 1225 00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:35,940 testimony to Arrow he was at Ellsworth 1226 00:58:42,049 --> 00:58:38,280 Air Force Base in I think South Dakota 1227 00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:42,059 his experience was in 1975 is the same 1228 00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:44,520 color too same description yeah crazy 1229 00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:49,020 theory that Rob and I have come up with 1230 00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,540 um when was the last detonation of a 1231 00:58:56,890 --> 00:58:53,520 nuclear weapon do you know 1232 00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:59,270 thermonuclear we're not talking about um 1233 00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,460 an atom bomb like North Korea right 1234 00:59:06,349 --> 00:59:05,520 um because their bonds are big but ours 1235 00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:06,359 are 1236 00:59:13,849 --> 00:59:10,559 they're just uh maybe 60 years 1237 00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,859 yeah the megatons are up there when it 1238 00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:15,660 comes to 1239 00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:17,400 um thermonuclear 1240 00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:19,740 um using the hydrate bomb rather than an 1241 00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:23,099 atom right uh it's just I I all new 1242 00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:24,980 level of 1243 00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:26,520 destructiveness 1244 00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,359 sure and uh wouldn't it be cool 1245 00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,640 that we had a if you if you're old 1246 00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:34,319 enough to remember 1247 00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:35,460 um Superman 1248 00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:37,559 um Quest for Peace movie with 1249 00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,799 Christopher Reeves Blair he took he said 1250 00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:42,240 you know what 1251 00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:44,700 tired of this crap I'm taking all your 1252 00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:48,119 nukes away from all of you because no 1253 00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:50,040 one's going to give them up so it goes 1254 00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:51,299 to Russia and all these places you've 1255 00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:53,660 got this huge bag of these nukes right 1256 00:59:59,450 --> 00:59:56,760 he throws them into the sun 1257 01:00:03,230 --> 00:59:59,460 that's the only scenario I see 1258 01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,240 to stop nuclear um right 1259 01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:05,220 yeah the nuclear threat we have to have 1260 01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:06,540 a third party 1261 01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:08,460 there's no way we'll give up our news 1262 01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:10,859 there's no way they'll give up their 1263 01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:13,740 needs we have to have we have to have 1264 01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,700 somebody come and help us out uh 1265 01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,799 I'll share with you something that 1266 01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:21,599 really meant a lot 1267 01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:23,640 I know it meant to Lou last night 1268 01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:25,500 because the guy has been checking on me 1269 01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:29,220 day and night basically 1270 01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:30,780 um I'll tell you exactly what I told 1271 01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,480 them I told him I'm never in my wildest 1272 01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,520 dreams I would ever think I could be 1273 01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:36,480 friends 1274 01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:39,180 with my hero and I told him you're the 1275 01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:41,220 best brother and because he made a video 1276 01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:42,420 for me 1277 01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:44,819 and uh it 1278 01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:47,220 all the support I've gotten from him and 1279 01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:49,740 Rob and the families and 1280 01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:50,520 um 1281 01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:52,200 I know uh I'm good friends with 1282 01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,920 Christopher sharp now and he he uh he 1283 01:01:01,010 --> 01:00:57,900 tweeted it as well that you know I 1284 01:01:01,789 --> 01:01:01,020 needed some yeah support I've been very 1285 01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:01,799 sick 1286 01:01:07,549 --> 01:01:05,160 and well it's just been a 1287 01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:07,559 it's just been a dream that I I live in 1288 01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:10,020 I'm surrounded by my own Heroes you know 1289 01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,020 I almost I I almost kicked it seven 1290 01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:16,079 times last year I had seven horrible 1291 01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:18,660 infections where you know if I if it 1292 01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:20,280 goes untreated you just how do you stay 1293 01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,960 positive how do you stay positive like 1294 01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:23,819 that 1295 01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,160 and not just live in fear and anxiety 1296 01:01:30,349 --> 01:01:28,140 you know that like 1297 01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:30,359 that's got to be really tough man I 1298 01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:32,099 don't know 1299 01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:33,540 uh 1300 01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:35,099 I'll say this 1301 01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:37,619 there came to a point in my life 1302 01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:42,240 and Rob and Lou knows this that 1303 01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:45,180 I I imagine myself looking down on Earth 1304 01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:47,460 this was after a phone call or a meeting 1305 01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:49,799 I had with Luke and I said I was 1306 01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:51,180 thinking to myself with all the people 1307 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,740 on this Earth 1308 01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:54,720 everything I've gone through would I 1309 01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:57,000 change it 1310 01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:58,500 um 1311 01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:01,319 and I and the answer is no 1312 01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:05,099 Rob heavily was saying where have you 1313 01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:06,240 been 1314 01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:09,000 all my life he's like old as dirt right 1315 01:02:13,970 --> 01:02:12,540 he's like 56 right so he's old as dirt 1316 01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,980 and he's like where you've been my whole 1317 01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:16,079 life I said dude look at it this way 1318 01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,160 instead 1319 01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:20,040 that everything that you and I have gone 1320 01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:22,020 through for the last 50 something years 1321 01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:24,599 has led to right here right now and look 1322 01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:27,180 who our friends are look who the 1323 01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:28,619 relationship that we have I wouldn't 1324 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,780 want to change it uh I've been living in 1325 01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,119 an awesome life with my family a great 1326 01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:35,520 quality of life the support of my family 1327 01:02:41,329 --> 01:02:39,780 and friends have been um hey buddy I 1328 01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:41,339 know right 1329 01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:49,809 you're loving dogs 1330 01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:52,150 you're a big man 1331 01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,670 well that's good I'm sorry I'm all over 1332 01:03:03,289 --> 01:03:01,440 the place I got a dog all we can do is 1333 01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,299 try to be as positive as possible and 1334 01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:05,520 when I find myself negative you know I 1335 01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:07,500 look to people that are 1336 01:03:10,190 --> 01:03:08,220 um 1337 01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:10,200 you know going through things that are a 1338 01:03:15,410 --> 01:03:13,380 lot harder than me you know and and I 1339 01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:15,420 Look to them for strength for myself 1340 01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:17,400 and you know you're going to be one of 1341 01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,319 those people because I I highly respect 1342 01:03:24,289 --> 01:03:21,599 how you keep it all together through 1343 01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:24,299 this so thanks for talking with me 1344 01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,380 Shannon 1345 01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:27,480 you're so you're most certainly welcome 1346 01:03:33,130 --> 01:03:31,079 and uh thank you so much for uh spending 1347 01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:33,140 some time with me and yeah 1348 01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:35,400 thank you for doing this man I really 1349 01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:36,780 appreciate it I'm really happy you're 1350 01:03:42,289 --> 01:03:39,660 doing better so stay well man 1351 01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,299 thanks everybody for uh your well wishes 1352 01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:44,520 wow I'm Blown Away 1353 01:03:55,849 --> 01:03:47,220 all right guys y'all take care now all 1354 01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,010 oh there's some strange going on 1355 01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:00,720 but you don't listen come outside of 1356 01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:03,000 your house and if you don't see four 1357 01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:06,180 stars in alignment 1358 01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:07,980 if you don't see four stars in perfect 1359 01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,020 alignment 1360 01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:12,000 I don't know where you are if you're in 1361 01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:14,280 Zambia but right now if you come out of 1362 01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:15,359 your house you're going to see four 1363 01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:17,160 stars in perfect alignment you tell me 1364 01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:19,799 what what is that explain to me give me 1365 01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:22,520 a plausible scientific explanation 1366 01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:25,619 backed with scientific data tell me what 1367 01:04:28,849 --> 01:04:26,760 that is 1368 01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:28,859 explain to me because you're so smart 1369 01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:30,540 explain to me 1370 01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:33,599 most of you don't even know half or 1371 01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:36,319 quarter what's going on on this planet 1372 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:38,760 so-called Planet we're living in I tell 1373 01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:41,040 you people these things all the time but 1374 01:04:44,329 --> 01:04:42,900 a lot of you people think everyone who 1375 01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:44,339 tells you things that you don't believe 1376 01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:45,960 in are crazy 1377 01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:48,180 but what's this you explain to me tell 1378 01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,180 me these things are fine they are in 1379 01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:53,280 alignment man these are stars what are 1380 01:04:59,890 --> 01:04:55,380 these things tell me you scientific 1381 01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:03,230 road right now 1382 01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:06,780 what are these things 1383 01:05:10,970 --> 01:05:08,819 all of you are driving by like it's 1384 01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,980 nothing I ask people here they're 1385 01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:12,780 telling me they don't know what this is 1386 01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,380 you tell me you're so asleep a lot of 1387 01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:18,240 you are so asleep you don't understand 1388 01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:20,280 where you are you don't understand who 1389 01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:22,200 you are you don't understand where you 1390 01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:24,000 open your eyes 1391 01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:26,339 you don't listen forget about this money 1392 01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:29,579 rubbish this you're chasing back 1393 01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:31,500 and forth every day there's something 1394 01:05:36,349 --> 01:05:33,780 going on look up 1395 01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:36,359 you don't listen now look explain 1396 01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,059 because you're so smart a lot of you are 1397 01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,160 so smart you're so intelligent tell me 1398 01:05:51,490 --> 01:05:44,160 what this is these things are so aligned 1399 01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:57,289 look at 1400 01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:00,710 this I don't believe this 1401 01:06:09,059 --> 01:06:13,789 obvious 1402 01:06:13,799 --> 01:06:18,890 ly 1403 01:06:18,900 --> 01:07:27,109 foreign 1404 01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:29,089 I hope you guys like the show I 1405 01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:31,559 certainly had a great time creating it 1406 01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:34,980 and talking to Shannon and reading these 1407 01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:36,359 stories and learning about these 1408 01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,500 characters 1409 01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,839 you know I don't always know what's 1410 01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,760 going on and what the truth is behind 1411 01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:43,680 these stories right but they sure are 1412 01:07:48,349 --> 01:07:45,780 interesting and and I really like 1413 01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:48,359 looking into them so I hope you enjoyed 1414 01:07:54,109 --> 01:07:51,539 looking into those stories with me 1415 01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:54,119 I know we had a short UAP News segment 1416 01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:57,000 but what are you gonna do 1417 01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:58,440 so I hope you enjoyed that I hope you 1418 01:08:01,849 --> 01:07:59,579 enjoyed the interview with Shannon 1419 01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:01,859 please subscribe like the video If you 1420 01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:02,640 haven't 1421 01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:05,339 and uh 1422 01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:07,260 to everyone in the chat thank you so 1423 01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:09,660 much for being so kind and supportive I 1424 01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:12,539 really do appreciate it 1425 01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,780 so peace and Stanley no the puppies that 1426 01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:18,299 you just saw yeah those are Luke those 1427 01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,080 are Lew's um God children oh no way yeah 1428 01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:24,000 how cool is that how many people could 1429 01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:31,849 man do I have to pick a Godfather for my 1430 01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,269 lose a reason why I even have these dogs 1431 01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:41,040 I was going to get a different dog but 1432 01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:43,500 he's like no you you want a dog get this 1433 01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:45,719 kind of dog but if you want like a dog 1434 01:08:49,849 --> 01:08:47,580 that's like your children get a German 1435 01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:49,859 Shepherd best decision I ever made my 1436 01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:52,319 wife and I just we love our dogs good 1437 01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:55,140 yeah my wife and I look we love our dogs 1438 01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:57,480 too man I mean they're family for sure 1439 01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:00,960 so yeah and some days like yeah just 1440 01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:02,940 just a hug from the dog we'll we'll fix 1441 01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:05,520 everything and I was telling Lou today 1442 01:09:09,709 --> 01:09:08,940 and I was telling Rob today that 1443 01:09:12,650 --> 01:09:09,719 um 1444 01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:12,660 this has been icing for me 1445 01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:15,660 it's been tough but 1446 01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,769 I I I don't take for granted the 1447 01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:24,060 friendships that I've developed through 1448 01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:26,339 the last year Rob and I have become 1449 01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:30,179 extremely close and there's almost not a 1450 01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:32,520 moment of the day that goes by that 1451 01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:36,540 we're not talking honestly I 1452 01:09:42,650 --> 01:09:40,400 long story short before Lou before Rob 1453 01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:42,660 for at least 1454 01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:44,219 10 years 1455 01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:46,199 I turned my phone off 1456 01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:49,319 and at all my phone calls go to my wife 1457 01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:52,799 right well since Rob's around and lose 1458 01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:54,660 around and other folks are around I get 1459 01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:56,460 phone calls all the time or text 1460 01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,780 messages yeah okay blue hold on I gotta 1461 01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:02,719 shoot my dog 1462 01:10:08,050 --> 01:10:06,000 get up mama there you go I got a squirt 1463 01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:08,060 gun he's like oh I'm sorry 1464 01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:10,980 we need a 95 pound dog jumping on 1465 01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:12,920 somebody 1466 01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:15,719 that's it I'd squirt my cat when it 1467 01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:18,420 won't shut up so it's fine you know what 1468 01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:21,179 they shut up right so yeah 1469 01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:22,860 just like 1470 01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:24,540 that's not 1471 01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:25,560 that's my 1472 01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,600 um 1473 01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:29,040 that's this is my service dog this is 1474 01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:29,760 blue 1475 01:10:36,290 --> 01:10:33,420 I have a 1476 01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:36,300 he she's trying to finish this story for 1477 01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:42,950 I am very I'm very lucky she loves me 1478 01:10:59,420 --> 01:10:55,150 [Music]